DENON ROTARY, TIRED OF WAITING DID IT MYSELF

[jayo]

The title says it all....

I need a rotary, when is Denon gonna get off there ass and make one????

Or do I need to save up for the Rane 2016 and expansion pack...

Sorry Doc... I really can't afford the Phazon even though people say it is the "holy grail" of rotaries....

[DJ MDX]

Or do I need to save up for the Rane 2016 and expansion pack...


Better read this post b4 you make any decisions.... :wink:

http://clubmegamix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74

[jayo]

Yep, I know about that, Jams and I were the ones talking to the Rane guy at Remix... :wink:

By the time I save up the new one will be out... :lol:

[DENON]

I need a rotary, when is Denon gonna get off there ass and make one????

Nope, not anytime soon.
The Rane, Crest, A&H does not sell that well despite what you may think.

[jayo]

:roll: I never said they would be the best sellers, but that doesn't mean there is not a need for them or else the companies you mentioned would not have made them.

I have an airsoft gun that only one manufacturer makes in limited quantity which is in Taiwan, the gun is very unique, but yet many other manufacturers make parts for this gun.. Why? because even though there is not a high demand for the parts, they realize that there still is a demand present.

So what is next on Denon's agenda... A 10in scratch mixer? WHY? There are already about a half dozen made by every other company out there... So if you add up about 6 made by American DJ, about 6 by Numark, about 6 by Vestex, About 6 made by Rane, behringer, gemini, need I go on... You got over 30 mixers that you are in competition with...

So lets figure...
Scratch type mixer - high demand - many many alternatives some very cheap all the way up to very expensive

Rotary type mixer - lower demand - few alternatives all very expensive

I am not going to argue with you about this Silvio. But you would think that somewhere in the world there would be, at very least, a pot that would fit the x1500. I mean if you are not going to answer the our needs with a actual rotary at least answer out needs with pots for a mixer we already have (like other companies have done)

I am very confused about the x1500, the reason why I say this is, it is a all around board right? Well you have many house deejay oriented features on it. Which is why I bought it. Yet denon seems to be only catering to the scratch dj's concerns with the board with regaurd to updates and/or future ventures...

As much as I HATE the look of the A&H 92, it has pots... who knows...

[doc_lee]

It's all about magic numbers here. The Rane, the A&Hs, the Crest, the Bozak (by the way...this one is pretty much considered the holy grail of rotaries), the Urei, etc don't sell that well initially because of price. We're talking $1499 for a Rane MP2016/XP2016 setup, $1100 for the Crest, $1599 for the Xone 92, $8000 for a full Xone V6 setup, $1200 for a Bozak (used), $1100 for a Urei 1620 (used), $3000 for a minimal Phazon setup.

However, drop the price to around $700-$1100 for the full Rane setup and it sells like hot cakes on ebay.com. It's hard to find a Bozak or Urei on ebay that isn't already snatched up and the auction exceeding $1000. Throw a Xone 92 rotary on ebay for $1100-$1200 and it'll be gone in a few minutes. The point being here is that it is a matter of how much money people are willing to spend for a product. Currently, there are only 6 rotary mixers (some are switchable between rotary and fader) on the market that are sub-$1000. However, none of these mixers offer a wide array of features, effects, etc. The ADJ DX5R, the Gemini CS19R, Stanton RM line of fader replaceable rotaries, the ESO Rotostar/the Peavey Rotomix, the cheaper Vestax fader replaceable rotaries, and the Numark CM1000-R are all lacking in terms of what they offer the user in terms of layout, functionality, etc. However, at lowered prices, all still sell quite well on ebay. The point behind this is that if Denon were able to come out with a rotary mixer at a reduced price and still offered quality in the mixer, they would indeed sell. There is a rather large market out there, one that hasn't seen a decent product released in years and one that is rearing for something new and innovative.

jayo,
One thing you have to realize is that Denon is largely geared toward the scratch DJ. The entire moving platter is a scratch DJs wet dream whereas a lot of house/trance DJs understand one rather elusive concept...a record has to spin in order to create sound, the only reason why a record moves on a turntable, whereas a CD does not require such movement of the platter. It's also interesting to see something like a fader curve almost become Denon's #1 priority over the last couple of months in satisfying the scratch DJs who were complaining about the curve. Suffice to say that this information was released to the general public rather quickly after the bad review over at skratchworx.com. It's bullocks for the house/trance DJ. It's rather odd that the number of people who suggested a rotary on denondjforums.com outnumbers the number of people who suggested a 10 inch scratch mixer (which in today's market, like you said and like I've said before would simply not be able to compete with the likes of Vestax, Rane, Numark, Stanton and others). The only reason somebody would buy a 10 incher from Denon would be the same reason some people bought the x1500...the "Denon for life" mentality. It appears that the majority of the people who support a scratch mixer from Denon fall into this category on denondjforums.com whereas a good majority of the people who think for themselves just sit back and roll their eyes. It's a lose/lose situation for everybody. Unfortunately, it's the house/trance/techno/electro/progressive DJs who stand the lose the most out of all of it.

Doc

[jayo]

Yes it is really unfortunate for guys like us... I don't play out much anymore, so the lack of funds is a real problem in getting one of the higher end rotaries... Jams often points out rotaries for sale on ebay, but like you said they still go at a very high price even used...

I keep finding my self looking at the picture of the 92 and keep asking myself if I made the right choice in buying my x1500. I really like the x1500 except the lack of rotaries... I know that the A&H is awsome for sound quality but also holds a price tag at least 1 and 1/2 times what I paid...

Doc I thank you for your comments, there are many of us that want a good quality rotary who can't afford the high price of such. We would welcome a company to make a mid to high range product for our enjoyment...

[DENON]

We would welcome a company to make a mid to high range product for our enjoyment...

You already have two to choose from with a lower price tag?
What’s wrong with the Crest & Numark?

Just for the record, I have nothing against making a rotary mixer.
When you have a powerful, but yet small engineering crew like ours, they need to focus on items that will sell to the masses. We are not a giant company like Sony or Panasonic that can afford to have a few dogs of products. Denon as a whole is less than 1/10th their size. :shock:
Niche products such as the Pio DVJX1 and rotary mixers wont help us pay our bills.

We must choose our future products wisely to keep the division strong, healthy and profitable in order to continue our leading position with advanced technologies. Slow and Steady wins the race.

[jayo]

I was going to say something but I will not... :(

[jayo]

WELL WHERE TO START....

As you all know I want a Denon Rotary... But there is none...

Not even pots for the x-1500...











Well I got tired of waiting so I said screw it I will build my own...

So I broke out my favorite building materials...

What is that you ask????









LEGOs!!!!!!!

http://img45.exs.cx/img45/1521/step2.jpg












So I figured I would need a real long throw for smooth mixing and this is what I came up with...










This is not a trick, and though it is not perfect... It will beat a slide any day!!!!! :wink:


http://img45.exs.cx/img45/6586/rotary1.jpg

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/8743/lego00.jpg

[DJ MDX]

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[DJ A-L]

Now thats a good one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HEHEHEHEHEHEHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :wink: :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[jayo]

A-L and its not for show, it actually has a pulley system (below the top plate of legos) that controls the slides. :wink:

[DJ MDX]

Just got two words for you......

"Video Mix"

I just have to see that in action.... 8)

[JustJay]

That just made my whole sunday. Nice jayo.

[DJ_JAMS]

nice pots...

[DJ_Double_A]

Take a pic from under it. :lol:

[DJ A-L]

i just said that to jay on the phone.. and wow there it is in your post :wink:

[djdigital]

:shock:
Gotta make a video of this one jayo :shock:

[Brandon Fisher]

Very creative.. :D

[DENON]

Must see video.

Our engineers are all watching this thread.
They might offer you a job :P

[DJ A-L]

:shock:

[RottenApplez]

jayo, you are my idol! you should defintely patent that.

[DJ MDX]

Welcome to the forum, RottenApplez

And feel free to spread the word about our wonderful site here... :wink:

[jayo]

jayo, you are my idol! you should defintely patent that.


:shock: :shock: :oops: :oops: :D Thanks for the vote of confidence...

And welcome to the forum... If you have any questions about the players or mixer feel free to ask and one of the guys here will be more than happy to help you... :D

[dj_redd]

LMAO!!! I spilled coffee everywhere! Man, that was f'n hilarious!

Great job Jayo!!!

redd

[dj_redd]

Jayo:
So what is next on Denon's agenda... A 10in scratch mixer? WHY? There are already about a half dozen made by every other company out there... So if you add up about 6 made by American DJ, about 6 by Numark, about 6 by Vestex, About 6 made by Rane, behringer, gemini, need I go on... You got over 30 mixers that you are in competition with...
Amen!

Silvio:
We are not a giant company like Sony or Panasonic that can afford to have a few dogs of products.

I highly doubt that rotary's are "dogs"... They're just not Micky D cheeseburgers for everyone to gorge on. Like the scratch mixer you'll be announcing in two days... Oh great another cheeseburger.

redd

[dj_redd]

And after further thought... It's not rocket science, well maybe a little, but come on Silvio, how hard can it be to add knobs instead of faders on the X-1500. Make it an option like the Pio DJM3k.

redd

[jayo]

dj_redd,

One of the major problems in adding pots to my understanding is the whole channel fader start. They cannot find a pot that will work with that feature (unless one is engineered and custom built which is a venture that denon will not take on at this time)

However I would be more than happy to have a software update that would render the channel fader start nonfunctional if that means a normal pot could be implemented...

[dj_redd]

Fine by me too Jayo!

[dj scat]

that's awesome!

[mixnmik]

can't see the pictures!!!, I want to see this.

[DJ MDX]

can't see the pictures!!!, I want to see this.


Do a refresh and they shoulld show up.

[jayo]

Lego mod video is now up...

http://www.musicv2.com/artist/djjayo?video=1

[DJ MDX]

Great video and thanks for that crazy new trick.... :!: :wink:

[djdigital]

:shock: :shock:
Great Video Jayo......and the NEW trick is Off The Hook :!: :lol:

[J-Alex]

Excellent Jayo.

Have watched the video over at the other forum and it rocks.

[Djmattmoney]

Take a pic from under it.

Yes please , with directions on how to do it and pics. Can you get to the cue buttons, from the pic it doesn't look like it. Does mod cover up anything you need to get to. :D

[DJ MDX]

Welcome to the forum Djmattmoney.

Please feel free to spread the word of our wonderful site.... :wink:

[Djmattmoney]

Thanks for the welcoming party, I really want to see pics of how Jayo did that mod for the knobs on the X1500. Any pros or cons about it as well, and what lego set did he go purchase to do the mod. :D

[jayo]

Matt... I will post better pics of the mod soon... It works pretty good except it is hard to see where your level is (no marking on the knob)... As for what lego set... I don't really know... I have been collecting legos since I was a small child... So I have boxes of them... But a Technic lego set of a decent size is a must in order to get the amount of gears needed to make it work... It takes 4 large and 4 small, 12 shafts, (8 shorter and 4 longer) 4 or 8 wheels, 8 shaft spacers (the ones that are as long as a single lego is wide) and 16 of the shaft spacers that have the groove for pulleys that are about half the with of a single lego (they also have the teeth to interlock them) and 8 of the black rubber bands, any rubber band of the same size will do...

Hope this helps this is some of the stuff needed of the top of my head...

My creation could have been built much better but it was a first time build and ask MDX or Digital, I built it after going to the bar at about 2:00 in the morning... :lol:

[titus]

Allen & heath, who? Xone 92, what?

I'm runnin' a Lego 1500 rotary w/ a Tinker Toy effects box!

Cheers, :D

[mixnmik]

I think it must be something to do with mysite.version.net
none of jayos sig,avatars come up either, just the little red cross box.

[DJ MDX]

I think it must be something to do with mysite.version.net
none of jayos sig,avatars come up either, just the little red cross box.


Try again, I just fixed it.

[mixnmik]

thanks MDX, pics work, still jayos sig etc not comin up.
nice rig jayo,
mite have to pull out my stockpile of legos.

[Behind The Wheels Of Stee]

That is SOOOO GREAT. Please i beg you if you ever find the time, post in depth instructions with step by step pictures. Because right now i dont have much of a clue on how you did that. Please i NEED to do that on my Vestax. Great job again man.

[DJ MDX]

That is SOOOO GREAT. Please i beg you if you ever find the time, post in depth instructions with step by step pictures. Because right now i dont have much of a clue on how you did that. Please i NEED to do that on my Vestax. Great job again man.


Welcome to the forum Behind The Wheels Of Stee

You got a long enough name there.... :wink:

J/K

Please feel free to spread the word of our wonderful site here... :wink:

[Behind The Wheels Of Stee]

Lol! thanks. Looks like i forgot the L, or else it didnt fit. :oops:

[DJ MDX]

Lol! thanks. Looks like i forgot the L, or else it didnt fit. :oops:

LOL!

Do you want me to fix it for you?
I think it will fit.... :wink:

[Behind The Wheels Of Stee]

That would be great!

[DJ MDX]

I just might be too long I tried to change it but said was already taken. Try loggin out and then log back in with out the "L" and see if you can get in. If you cant then log in with the "L" and let me know what happened.

[Behind The Wheels Of Stee]

Yeah when i log in it shows the l, but on the forums it doesnt because its too long i guess. Oh well dont worry about it, i shouldnt have been stupid and chosen such a long name.

[doc_lee]

Behind the Wheels of Steel,

You probably won't have to do it for your Vestax seeing as most of the Vestax 3 and 4 channel mixers already have rotary options for them.

Click here to see them or purchase them (http://www.bananas.com/productdetail.asp/pid_4280/productname_Vestax-DF27-Rotary-Dial-Fader-for-the-PMC27,-270a-and-PCV275)

Doc

[Behind The Wheels Of Stee]

True, but having to buy 3, and then a completly new faceplate, or frontpanel (whatever you call it) adds up, and any spare money i have is going twords getting a second cd table. Having one dn-s3000, and a tape deck is not fun...

[JP]

Again this just goes to show that the denon gear is a toy manufacture...

[djbigdaddy]

Good video...although I am a little concerned as to why you still have Legos..but I'm not gonna go there.

Maybe next video you could break out the old star wars figures and have them mix us some tune. What do you think.

[JP]

Yes this is strange taking one mixer that denon thinks is top and updating it with.....

LEGO

Just like the bpm counter doesn't work on the dns-5000 so stick tape over it trick from the denon production team....

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

P.s just for the books Allen and Heath do xone 92 linear and rotary as standard...

:D :D :D :D

[djdigital]

Sometimes...YOU gotta Do What You Gotta Do :wink:

Once again...GREAT Stuff Jayo :wink:

Man...If I had a Dollar For Everytime Jayo Mentioned Knobs or Pots.................I could make A Custom Mixer Just For Him :lol: :lol:

[jayo]

Bigdaddy,

Legos are the ultimate building tools... I will never get rid of my legos... I hope to give them to my children if I ever have any... For they promote creativity and thinking outside the box...

If I ever have kids they will have legos and a PC not nintendo or gameboy, xbox, etc.

I still play with legos from time to time, and I am 28 years old, why???Because I feel it forces me to look at different perspectives, and it is very relaxing... I am scared to death of losing my creativity and I.Q. (they say it goes down with age because people become to close minded)

So that is the reason I still have lego, and face it... THEY ARE A LOT OF FUN... I wish I had more of them...

As to the StarWars you hit a sore subject for my mom sold all my StarWars figures when I was at college (they were worth a lot of money)

[jayo]

I got pots on my 1500....

Check out the Video here... (http://www.musicv2.com/artist/djjayo?video=1) video is named "pots"


I can get the faderstart to work too but didn't bother with getting pots with switches...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/jayo1/1500mk2.jpg

Thanks Dragon for leading me in the right direction...

[DJ MDX]

:shock: :shock: :shock: OMG! You did it! You da man!

[dj_redd]

Very, very, very cool Jayo!!! Nice job! Hopefully this will light a fire under Sil to get his boys to put a Rotary Option out. Now we know it can be done! Sil, here is a consumer ready to buy... Put the option out and you have a sale.

redd

[djdigital]

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Dang Jayo Does It Again!!!!!!
You Da Man ;)

[Brandon Fisher]

Very cool!!!

[jayo]

UPDATE:

I finally got a chance to swap my audio taper pots for linear taper pots and the performance improved greatly... Hopefully I will have a chance to make a new video showing them...

[dj_redd]

So Jayo, since you proved it could be done, has there been any dialogue between you and Sil. Will Denon finally consider doing a Rotary X-15k vers.? This really sucks man, all these new f'n scratch mixers they came out w/and no thought being put into getting a real mixer into clubs. The X-15k has potential but only with pots. I have no doubt that if Pio puts out the rumored 4 channel 909 in 2k5... And puts it out with rotary options (ala A&H's Xone-92), it'll sell like hotcakes! We could very well see, not only CDJ's as a club standard, but also Pio 909's.

redd

[jayo]

Redd,

I haven't talked to Silvio in quite a while... :sad: I don't believe Denon will make a pot kit for the x1500 but making your own will cost under 30 bucks.

The only thing I didn't do that dragon may have done was make a hot start switch for the "fader start". Which can be done and is really easy to do...

[djdigital]

Jayo, I think it's time you started modding peoples mixers for them, Or Putting Together A Kit.
Just Think About How Much $$$ You Can Make Off Of This.

If You Need A Manager......... :D :D

[dj_redd]

my concern: modifying the mixer would it void the warranty?

[djdigital]

my concern: modifying the mixer would it void the warranty?
Yes It Will :cry:

[dj_redd]

Figured :roll:

And of course Denon's more concerned with mobile, bedroom and the like rather than club jocks; so I doubt we'll see any higher-end products. X-1500 and the s5000 will probably be around another year while they push the X-300 and s1000.

redd

[DJ MDX]

my concern: modifying the mixer would it void the warranty?


:idea: :idea: Where there is a will, there is a way :idea: :idea:

[jayo]

I created this thread so those of us who have or are modding our mixer can share our findings. I feel we can use this thread to place our info so it will be easy to find...

[DJ MDX]

Great idea.....Jayo..... ;)

[DJ MDX]

I got pots on my 1500....

Check out the Video here... (http://www.musicv2.com/artist/djjayo?video=1) video is named "pots"


I can get the faderstart to work too but didn't bother with getting pots with switches...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v351/jayo1/1500mk2.jpg

Thanks Dragon for leading me in the right direction...

Here is some more to add to this thread.. ;)

[djdigital]

http://img75.exs.cx/img75/4910/djjayo.jpg
Jayo Please Print This Out And Hang It On Your Wall. :shock:

[DJ MDX]

That is f#cking awesome, djdigital


Congratulations Jayo

[jayo]

:shock: Thank you digital..... :)

[joeydj4u]

LUVIN THOSE ROTORIES :D

[DJ MDX]

Yep, I think it's time for some updates on your Roto-Mod, Jayo.

Do it "Tune in Tokyo" style.... :p

[DJ MDX]

FYI.....I merged about 5 different threads together that were about the same thing...so some of the comments may not go in exact order but you can tell what they are for by each subject line and are in chronological order.

[dj_redd]

We finally got what many of us were asking for... Well, not exactly, but something: the Rotary X500 & X900. I'm excited and looking forward to trying one out soon. I think it sucks that it was built w/o effects, or that Denon didn't come out w/a Rotary kit for the X-1500, but then again none of the Rotary's I've worked with, nor my personal MP2016, have effects and I'm perfect fine with it. I do like that it's Matrix and each channel is separate allowing us to pick and choose which will be rotary.

http://www.denondjforums.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=22

What are your thoughts...

redd

[J-Alex]

It's not brilliant, but here are the ACD-46 knobs on a DN-X1500

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3259/dnx1500rotaryjpeg3rt.jpg

[DJ MDX]

We finally got what many of us were asking for... Well, not exactly, but something: the Rotary X500 & X900. I'm excited and looking forward to trying one out soon. I think it sucks that it was built w/o effects, or that Denon didn't come out w/a Rotary kit for the X-1500, but then again none of the Rotary's I've worked with, nor my personal MP2016, have effects and I'm perfect fine with it. I do like that it's Matrix and each channel is separate allowing us to pick and choose which will be rotary.

http://www.denondjforums.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=22

What are your thoughts...

redd


Or here..... :rolleyes:

http://www.prodjforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537

[DJ MDX]

It's not brilliant, but here are the ACD-46 knobs on a DN-X1500

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3259/dnx1500rotaryjpeg3rt.jpg


Not too bad.... ;)

[dj_redd]

Or here..... :rolleyes:

http://www.prodjforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537

Ahhhhhh, that's where the conversation went off too...